Unidentified phenomena of a light beam from top of tower cumulonimbus cloud up to the sky.
Taken by Cherdphong Visarathanonth on May 27, 2014 @ Pravet, Bangkok, Thailand
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It's like an invert light beam to the upper level sky. Is it Bluejet? It's move quick and disappeared from time to time. You can find my VDO on youtube. http://youtu.be/7eomvFly0Ic This picture was take in front of the cockpit A320 on ground, Suvanabhumi Airport, Thailand (VTBS) around 0110 UTC. 27/05/2014 It was located on west side of the airport. Both windshields can see the same, even after aircraft has pushing back on different direction. Image was taken by iPhone4.
Photographer's website:
http://youtu.be/7eomvFly0Ic
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Wow!!! Amazing! What an amazing photo Cherdphong! Full credit to you for continuing to film for such a long duration. I have seen Blue Jets and Sprites, but this is something totally different. Good luck figuring out what it is. Please post, in the future, any updates here that dont get publicised. Brian
Posted by AstroPilot 2014-05-28 07:50:15
Very impressive!. It does catch my eye that beam (“sprite, arc”) merging out and up from the cloud’s anvil over-shooting-top. It is well demarcated as long as the over shooting top cloud’s shape (“dome”) is itself well defined. I notice the beam shape is lost while the over-shooting-top becomes spread and diffused.
Posted by Mavila 2014-05-28 08:11:00
Excellent capture !!! Ive seen and photographed two Gigantic Jets and they do not last this long. Kinda looks like a mini tornado. I sent this link to Walt Lyons to see what he thinks. Was there a lot of lightning before this event?
Posted by supernova 2014-05-28 12:15:30
Hoho, I imagine a spaceknight(-ess) lively testing his/her`s new lightsword when I see the sudden movements etc. Joyous !

Looking forward to reed more comments of this intresting pic/video,and I wonder,what is the distance to the ground about..could it be something FROM the ground causing this ?
The movements f.ex reminds of a slang (or something) under a very high pressure of water or steam...mvh Gillan.
Posted by seawolf 2014-05-28 17:21:47
could it be this? http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap111108.html
PeteG
Posted by Glaznoz 2014-05-28 18:32:12
Hi Pete!
Thank tou very much!
Its the same one!
Posted by Thonybear 2014-05-28 19:48:43
This one should be called a Dancing Sundog because it moved around so gracefully. The one at the APOD website should be called a Jumping Sundog because that one was actually jumping. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by supernova 2014-05-29 12:34:51
SDO/AIA 171 - The close-ups of the magnetic arcs coming out of the sunspots and arching up into the corona move around similarly to what we saw here.

Look at the huge column of clouds- THAT could be a clue. What if that is a connection point for the earths version of those arcs… certainly with many differences from what we see on the sun.

Then again, Im biased… I have an Earthspots hypothesis based on similarities between solar and earthly atmospheres and process… and even the storms on each celestial body. Earthspots, like sunspots.

All respect to Dr. P
Posted by BenDavidson 2014-05-29 14:49:36
To clarify -- the clue would be that the huge column is partly produced by the same process that lets GCRs great clouds, except that we are witnessing a confined area (Birkeland Current?) of effect. I would have expected FAR more visible cloud-to-cloud lightning in order for the explanation on the homepage to be satisfying.

-Ben
Posted by BenDavidson 2014-05-29 14:52:24
I believe this is the same phenomonon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4sY98zsBH0
Posted by Liembo 2014-05-29 16:28:34
looks like a tornado dancing around on the cloud top. perhaps one on the ground that is opposite of the one on top of the cloud. just a wild guess.
Posted by little jim 2014-05-29 20:18:10
At around 2:25 you can see a second smaller one to the right and slightly lower than where the big one is when it reforms. It appears against the brighter upper part of the cloud and the darker billows just below it.
It leans towards the larger line as it reappears, then fades, coming back as a thin vertical line when the larger one dissipates around 2:50.
Posted by Void 2014-05-29 20:35:37
I would suggest these are positrons being pulled in from the outer atmosphere due to the charge of the storm cloud. GOES has identified streams of positrons moving along magnetic field lines in the recent past. These positrons are probably from the sun. Below is a link for a video of some positrons being formed in a lab. Note the condensation tornado defining the particle where abouts. Below cloud tornados may also be related. Ive never believed warm air cold air could form something so tightly wound.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVMrkJYShc
Posted by Geo_Nerd 2014-05-29 21:27:20
A Gremlin!
Posted by skomperda60 2014-05-29 21:29:17
I have observed a vary similar object atop a thunderhead cloud off in the distance overlooking the lake by my house. The one I saw was not vertical but was at an angle. It moved just like the one in your video. You should name this the Cherdphong Phenomenon. :)
Posted by Frank Jr. 2014-05-29 22:14:23
Sorry, fermie telescope not GOES.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/news/fermi-thunderstorms.html
Posted by Geo_Nerd 2014-05-29 22:16:59
All sorts of things may be going on around us that people dont know like storms with, ball lightning. Sprites. And now electric charged clouds that look like funnels ( tornado) going out the top of the storm. Maybe what they actually observed was an inverted tornado out the top of the storm this would mean that warm air was being drawn in from above the storm mixing with cooler air sinking in the storm top. Global warming- upper atmosphere warming at a faster rate than near the ground. I think I just came up with a new weather phenomenon theory.
Posted by starsearch 2014-05-29 22:36:53
What this is are ice crystals being affected by the magnetic changes in the electrical field of a cumulonimbus cloud. The sun is perfectly illuminating it. In the right place, at the right time.

Note how it behave like filaments on the sun. It is likely a hope loop connected to the other side of the cloud. We just cannot see as the light angle is wrong.

You can find other videos of this phenomenon if you look. They even show loops. A rare sight as it would be invisible without the sun being in the right location in relationship to the viewer.
Posted by NWradio 2014-05-29 22:50:45
From an aircraft - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S9anC1znoQ
Posted by NWradio 2014-05-29 23:24:23
Sorry folks, I shared the wrong link, there was another video from an airliner. But this will do. Neat huh?
Posted by NWradio 2014-05-29 23:25:58
I dont know anything about the beam, pretty unbelievable to see something like that. A solid beam of visible energy producing light from the top of a very large CB. The size of the CB can be attributed to its latitude...they get much much taller IVO the tropics. The odd part is that it hasnt even reached the tropopause, or if it has for some reason its not forming an anvil. The troposphere is much thicker in the tropics due to the amount of sunlight so its possible that the storm was still forming. That explains the size but it definitely cant account for the light beam...maybe the tropopause has a charge of some sort that is interacting with the charge of the water in the thunderstorm. I would love an explanation of this. FYI Im a US navy weather forecaster and certified weather observer, in my past 6 years of staring at clouds, Ive never seen anything like it.
Posted by Zloikish 2014-05-29 23:28:57
This is not a tornado however the mechanics of a tornado are what you are seeing here. This is an Aurora tornado. Think about it, it acts like an Aurora and looks like a tornado. Problem solved.
Posted by Delin Quincy 2014-05-30 00:53:18
Liembo Im sure youre right, very similar to the video you linked to. The sudden movements of the phenomenon would be consistent with instantly changing electrical fields within the cloud head following lightning occurring below. Cherdphong Visarathanonth thanks for filming this one for as long as you did.
Posted by Stevie 2014-05-30 01:55:05
Its wonderful to read everyones contributions, thanks! I wonder if anybody may have a theory which includes an associated static discharge visible at night? I have just re-posted (30May) an image from last year, 7 June 2013 which I cant explain. Otherwise, please keep the video links and ideas coming! Brian
http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=97859
Posted by AstroPilot 2014-05-30 05:47:30
After watching this several times Im of the opinion that it isnt a dancing sundog. Mainly because as it moves from side to side the top lags behind as though its some actual jet of matter.
Also at around 12 seconds it can be seen to rotate around the center of some area that may be causing it.
My hypothesis is that this may be a jet of electrical charge cause by an electrically charged rising vortex of air within the updraft within the parent cloud. As air rises within the cloud it begins to spin. Much like how a tornado is formed. as it rises it enters some electrified part of the cloud and begins to create a spiraling magnetic field. charged ice particles within the cloud get caught in this spinning electrical field and are projected upwards towards an oppositely charged area above the cloud and spray out.
If you watch you can see that at the top of the column it seems to spread out as it hits an upper layer of atmosphere.
The sudden jumping from location to location may be due to lightning discharges within the could changing the electrical environment and causing the magnetic field generated by the vortex to move abruptly.
I must state that this is just my theory on what might be happening.
It might also be unicorns playing inside the cloud! =P
Posted by kpalivec 2014-05-30 10:13:42
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~ just been a wondering @ 0.20 if their was any local fireball activity near the apparent shorting incident over Thailand ( or upwind left over from the May 24 CAMELOPARDALID meteor shower, not knowing the makeup of Comet 209/ LINEAR tail makeup or a spectral analysis of this thunder head anomaly) that might have had enough ferro conductive properties to induce a charge equalizing / shorting event not unlike a conventional sprite
= oh the things you notice when you know to look tell the tail best, be it something just never noticed or another sign of change from heavens
Posted by docatomics 2014-05-30 10:26:47
The answer lies in this: ice crystals, especially long needles, tend to become aligned with the ambient electric field.

So what you are seeing is sunlight reflecting off ice crystal faces that are constantly being oriented by the developing electric field just above the [cumulonimbus] top. Then there is a discharge in the cloud, and the field collapses momentarily, and the crystals begin to realign again. Then this just keeps happening over and over.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/25/amazing-video-of-a-bizarre-twisting-dancing-cloud/#.U4iis_ldXh4
Posted by Nitroneo 2014-05-30 10:28:27
was any local fireball activity near the apparent shorting incident over Thailand ( or upwind left over from the May 24 CAMELOPARDALID meteor shower, not knowing the makeup of Comet 209/ LINEAR tail makeup or a spectral analysis of this thunder head anomaly) that might have had enough ferro conductive properties to induce a charge equalizing / shorting event not unlike a conventional sprite
= oh the things you notice when you know to look tell the tail best, be it something just never noticed or another sign of change from heavens
Posted by docatomics 2014-05-30 10:29:48
I watched the whole sequence, and Im inclined to agree on the observations that its like a tornado. Wind and vortex dynamics aloft can be very much like those that form tornadoes at ground level. Here we can see the funnel flickering on and off like a beam, but that can be accounted for as a boundary condition for condensation and evaporation (or sublimation) where the air masses involved differ sharply in temperature.

The funnel appears in several locations during the sequence, suggesting funnel-spawning conditions across the whole top of the whit cloud head. At about 3:00 of the sequence one can look at the lower right of the white cloud head and see a funnel faintly against the white backdrop.

Nature is immersed in wonders, and we are immersed in nature.
Posted by dwpaxson 2014-05-30 13:33:52
High-speed solar winds increase lightning strikes on Earth
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140514205758.htm
Posted by ilya i 2014-05-30 21:06:50
Amazing footage! So, heres something I pondered upon. Could this be the same phenomena that occurred during Atlas rocket launch on Feb. 11th, 2010. It was a video showing concentric shockwaves being produced from the rocket. A sundog-like ray shifted as the as the ice crystals realigned from the pressure waves. Could thunder occurring near the top of the cloud do this? Perhaps the phenomena is a product of sound or pressure waves and not of electromagnetic field changes or discharges-
Posted by orion17 2014-05-30 21:53:31
This seems to look like a waterspout at the top of a cloud instead of the bottom of a cloud. It is probably not water, but maybe cloud or water vapour, which is I think the same thing:) Any views on my suggestion greatly appreciated.
John
Scotland
Posted by sastronomer 2014-05-30 23:26:47
Nice video. Seems like a diamond dust sun pillar as is sometimes seen under cold conditions. The moving and waving probably comes from the multilayered cockpit glass. Seen from outside the pillars may have been static.
Posted by Flying 2014-05-31 05:27:33
The smoothness and roundness of the top of the cloud is a clue. It indicates both a strong electric and magnetic field. The discharge has the appearance of being a plasma. It was probably interacting with a particularly strong magnetic flux connection through the ionosphere.
Posted by volantis 2014-05-31 09:24:25
It’s probably some kind of travel vortex. The reason I’m saying this, is because In 2010 I captured a photo of some storm clouds. After viewing them, I saw what appeared like a spout on the side of the cloud and a UFO that may have, I’m pretty sure, came out of the spout vertically. Was the UFO ours or from some where else? I dont know. But i stay have the photo
Posted by comingsoooon 2014-05-31 10:26:05
It’s probably some kind of travel vortex. The reason I’m saying this, is because In 2010 I captured a photo of some storm clouds. After viewing them, I saw what appeared like a spout on the side of the cloud and a UFO that may have, I’m pretty sure, came out of the spout vertically. Was/is the UFO ours or from somewhere else? I dont know, but I stay have the photo.
Posted by comingsoooon 2014-05-31 10:27:20
This is similar to a streamer display reported by myself and another to Weather magazine, published by the Royal Meteorological Society, November 1950. I tried to re-awaken interest by having computer simulation photo published in the same magazine in November 2012, 62 years later! I hope this video will concentrate minds on an explanation.
Posted by Rodders24 2014-05-31 10:42:26
When watching the video, I found myself thinking that the mysterious object above the cloud looks like an out of focus reflection of a movable flame, such as a candle: note how the base of the object moves first, and the top lags behind. But it would be cool if it turns out to be a newly discovered atmospheric phenomenon!
Posted by radio0guy 2014-05-31 12:51:46
Amazing video. Im not sure I agree that this is light-based though. The sun is not behind the cloud as it would need to be if it were a jumping sundog or most of the other cloud-phenomenon that we see. And, if you watch carefully, you see definite rotation, especially early in its genesis. The projections spin and move across the cloud top much like tornados move across the ground. Are we seeing cloud-top tornadic activity?
Posted by swells_world 2014-05-31 13:54:53
Its the FLDSMDFR that makes meatballs from water! (See Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs)
Posted by Bleufishcat 2014-05-31 15:11:39
All the time there was a small dark sphere. I thought it was a spot in the lens of the camera.
But look after minute 230, the sphere goes fast from right to left while the cloud is still in the same place. What is this?
Posted by MariD 2014-05-31 16:36:50
MariD..THAT is a fun and good observation ! Now it is even more interesting and exiting to follow this case. :)
I think the little dark sphere also shows up again in the last few seconds
behind the haze to the right..
Posted by seawolf 2014-06-02 16:11:58
Hi,
I wondering how can this phenomenon was categorized in Sundog? Some call it jumping Sundog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog

From the definition on wikipedia, I dont agree with this.
Sundog suppose to be occured beside or in some angle accordance beside or around to the sun.
It suppose to be not moer than 90 degree from the sun?
Any condition of Halo that can generate more than 90 degree?

I agree with the hypothesis of ice crystal alignment due to electrical discharge from CB.
Can anybody give me the exactly word of this alignment?
Posted by Thonybear 2014-06-02 22:15:19
Walt Lyons is a geophysicist and has identified this phenomenon: The answer lies in this: ice crystals, especially long needles, tend to become aligned with the ambient electric field.
So what you are seeing is sunlight reflecting off ice crystal faces that are constantly being oriented by the developing electric field just above the [cumulonimbus] top. Then there is a discharge in the cloud, and the field collapses momentarily, and the crystals begin to realign again. Then this just keeps happening over and over.
Posted by supernova 2014-06-04 17:21:28
Thonybear....I too agree that labeling this a sundog doesnt quite fit but maybe the experts will sit down one day and give it a more suitable name.
Posted by supernova 2014-06-04 17:55:04
With all due respect to my learned colleagues, this is an optical aberration on the canopys wet acrylic. In the video, it is easy to see how it changes when the viewing angle changes as the plane is pushed back on the ramp. The curve of the refracted image corresponds to the curvature of the A320s canopy; and in a few brief instances, it can be seen in front of the clouds. There is also an oppositely curved image lower down and to the right of the larger one in a few frames. As a professional storm photographer, I deal with issues like this all the time. We dont take pictures in the rain through glass or plastic because these problems can occur.
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